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onlypassingthru 27 minutes ago [-]
"Subaru is killing off gas cars and will only sell rebadged Toyota EVs in Europe."
Subaru was talking about an electric model over 20 years ago! I saw the concept drawings. Whoever has run Subaru for the last 20 years needs to be given a watch and thanked for their service on their way out the door.
I don't know if it's gotten any better, but I won't buy another Subaru after my 2020. It constantly beeps at me whenever the EyeSight can't see the lanes in the road, even when it's not steering for me. It's a safety hazard that pretends to be a safety feature.
gamegod 1 hours ago [-]
If you're buying a Subaru, you're buying it because you value safety and reliability of the car, because your life/livelihood depend on it. You're not concerned about the infotainment system.
solyin 28 minutes ago [-]
No you're not. You're buying a Subaru because how awesome was the WRX STi and how they did in WRC! Naturally I speak for the motivations of all Subaru buyers and you don't. We can't know what reasons people do buy a Subaru, but people buying them because of awesome things professional race car drivers do in modified versions of their car has got to be non-zero.
clickety_clack 22 minutes ago [-]
I was actually shocked to find that Subaru in the US was this kind of safe, maybe outdoorsy brand. I had never seen anything but Imprezas inspired by WRC before I got here. Only boy racers drove them where I grew up.
S_Bear 23 minutes ago [-]
As a 25 year Subaru driver, it's a bit of one and a bit of two. I have a safe ride in the winter and do a full Costco run, and I can book it down curvy dirt roads at unsafe speeds to indulge my inner rally car driver.
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nothercastle 44 minutes ago [-]
You are buying it for the gas powered awd system. Which is like the only thing they did well. They have zero advantage or brand value in the EV realm
drop_star 18 minutes ago [-]
in theory EVs would be ideal for off-roading. Low end torque and the ability to control the motors independently. I think something like the Mercedes portal axles attached to electric motors would be amazing.
kikkia 1 hours ago [-]
That's part, I think not to dissimilar from a jeep, people buy them for the "lifestyle". Plenty of people take them off road, but plenty also like the idea that they could go off road.
Kirby64 1 hours ago [-]
> If you're buying a Subaru, you're buying it because you value safety and reliability of the car
If I want that, why wouldn’t I buy Toyota/Honda?
to11mtm 2 minutes ago [-]
Well, historically Subaru hits a different market segment than Toyota/Honda.
This curious bit is that it was 'You want something between a Toyota/Honda and a Lexus/Acura, but closer to the capability of a Jeep'. Where it's more curious, is that the modern Subaru hybrids are actually better at off-roading than the new Jeep Cherokee hybrid.
Why is that? Well at least IMO it's cause Subaru sticks to their guns, their hybrid system sticks to what they have always tried to do versus the Jeep doing, at least AFAIK, the same sort of 'AWD' hybrid setup of most hybrids, where the rear wheels are electric only and you have to wait for the computer to decide to apply Any power.
Interestingly, The closest hybrid AWD design I'm aware of to what Subaru is doing, is Ford with the AWD HF55 on the Maverick, in that case they are doing it to also help make sure it can meet the needs for 4K towing.
It's not as efficient, but it is at last consistent from a branding execution strategy. Definitely moreso than Jeep who has watered down everything they sell so much it's... who knows anymore.
TreeInBuxton 23 minutes ago [-]
To be fair, the Subaru Solterra is a rebadged Toyota bz4x, so I suppose you basically are buying a Toyota?
Subaru was talking about an electric model over 20 years ago! I saw the concept drawings. Whoever has run Subaru for the last 20 years needs to be given a watch and thanked for their service on their way out the door.
(Subaru marketshare is already fairly small in Europe, but an interesting data point imho as global electrification continues)
Related:
Europe EV sales rose 70.3% in September, 32.6% of market share - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50155291 - October 2026 (167 comments, as of this comment)
EV Sales Are Booming in Europe with Gasoline at $10 a Gallon - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49870928 - September 2026 (150 comments)
Europe EV Sales BEVs Jump 50% & Reach 26% Market Share - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49147450 - August 2026 (188 comments)
Tracking:
https://ember-energy.org/data/ev-sales-tracker/
https://robbieandrew.github.io/carsales/?lang=en&freq=monthl...
https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales
https://www.subaru.com/vehicle-info/article/what-is-apple-ca...
I don't know if it's gotten any better, but I won't buy another Subaru after my 2020. It constantly beeps at me whenever the EyeSight can't see the lanes in the road, even when it's not steering for me. It's a safety hazard that pretends to be a safety feature.
If I want that, why wouldn’t I buy Toyota/Honda?
This curious bit is that it was 'You want something between a Toyota/Honda and a Lexus/Acura, but closer to the capability of a Jeep'. Where it's more curious, is that the modern Subaru hybrids are actually better at off-roading than the new Jeep Cherokee hybrid.
Why is that? Well at least IMO it's cause Subaru sticks to their guns, their hybrid system sticks to what they have always tried to do versus the Jeep doing, at least AFAIK, the same sort of 'AWD' hybrid setup of most hybrids, where the rear wheels are electric only and you have to wait for the computer to decide to apply Any power.
Interestingly, The closest hybrid AWD design I'm aware of to what Subaru is doing, is Ford with the AWD HF55 on the Maverick, in that case they are doing it to also help make sure it can meet the needs for 4K towing.
It's not as efficient, but it is at last consistent from a branding execution strategy. Definitely moreso than Jeep who has watered down everything they sell so much it's... who knows anymore.